JV Records- Should they Stay with you
  • I know that when I was a teenager when you went to JV for a class A misdemeanor or less then the records would just go away once you hit a certain age depending on the State that you lived in (16-18). It appears that they no longer do that when I was talking to police last night about having my son arrested.

    I personally think that the records not being sealed when you enter adult hood is messed up because what you do as a child doesn't always show what kind of an adult you will be. Also with me if it would have stuck with me I would have never had a few jobs with the State, I would have never been able to have most of the jobs that I have had if any at all.

    I feel that with JV records not being sealed for misdemeanor's are stupid because kids mess up and with that following them they loose out on opportunities and are more likely to be repeated offenders because of the lack of jobs that are available to them.

    I know that I personally had over 5,000 hours of community service and about a total of 2 months in JV and even more time in youth services (aka state funded boot camp for wards of the state). I believe that its a fact that children that are bounced from home to foster home to the streets are more likely to have a record and do more to try to make it because that life is harder than most people could ever think of. To make them responsible for the rest of their life's for just trying to get by in life, have a dry place to sleep and just trying to stay alive should not be held against them because in the end it is the parents fault for not providing those basic needs to their kids and given the chance a good amount of those kids turn into good adults when given an opportunity to have more than everything they have known up to that point.

    So what are your thoughts- Should JV records get sealed for any misdemeanor that is commented as a minor and the sentence is completed before their 18th birthday or should it stay with them for the rest of their life?

    edit: this would also apply to class C felony's commented before the age of 14
    edit: was told that some people may not know what JV is so it is best put as kiddie jail
  • I am in class with a person who lived as a punk for his 20s. He's now 32 and has a misdemeanor rap sheet, but he's SIGNIFICANTLY turned himself around, to the point where he only occasionally does pot, is a decent guy, and takes care of himself--instead of taking every drug under the sun, living on the street, and existing on liquor, cigarettes and coffee. He's worried about whether he'll be able to find a good job because of his past, which wasn't even in JV... it was a misdemeanor in young adulthood because, he tells me, he flipped off a cop and ran and they found him later.

    I don't think that records should be expunged but I do believe that people can change for the better. I think that some things (like major violent crimes) should stay on. But small things (bit of attitude towards a cop, minor vandalism) should be forgiven to an extent.

    I'm not judging you or your son Jaded but I have to say the following:

    Then I hear a group of kids in a circle saying 'Fuck the police I'll do whatever the hell I want till I'm 18. My juvy record is gonna be gone which means I have cart blanche till my 18th birthday.' And I think, someone needs to teach you some fucking respect and responsibility, and show you why it's important you shouldn't be a mean dumbass enough to:

    A) Do stupid shit which lands you in detention in the first place or;
    B) If you insist upon doing said stupid shit, get caught.

    You don't want a record? Don't give them a reason to give you one. End of story.
  • Of course people need a record. Change or no, there's no reason to whitewash someone's record just because they are alive a certain amount of years.
  • Sunflower said:
    Of course people need a record. Change or no, there's no reason to whitewash someone's record just because they are alive a certain amount of years.


    I disagree. I have had a total of 6 charges sealed under juvie offender status. All 6 of those charges happened between 16 and 17. By your standards that should be public knowledge because who cares if I was a troubled kid.

    However in the 16 years following the worst offense I have had was driving without a license because of an insurance lapse. If those records were not sealed I would have served jailtime even though I am not a criminal, pay my taxes, and have a clean record.

    Just for the record, just because a record is sealed does not mean you got away with a crime. I spent time in jail (1 month), served community service and had 1 year of probation. It's not like you commit a crime as a kid and never get punished.
  • quahgg said:
    I disagree. I have had a total of 6 charges sealed under juvie offender status. All 6 of those charges happened between 16 and 17. By your standards that should be public knowledge because who cares if I was a troubled kid.

    However in the 16 years following the worst offense I have had was driving without a license because of an insurance lapse. If those records were not sealed I would have served jailtime even though I am not a criminal, pay my taxes, and have a clean record.


    I think that speaks a lot to a person's integrity if they've changed - having that kind of record to look back on. I guess employers and others though...don't really see it that way, huh. :/
  • I JV was not sealed for me then there is no way that I would have the life that I have now. I had many more than charges... but in all fairness most of the time that your arrested you get charged for more than one thing at a time. The worse thing that I was arrested for was assaulting a police officer when I was about 14 because he was taking me back home after being in foster care and I did not want to go home so bad that I was kicking the police officer as he was trying to drag e out of the car. (back then in the state that I lived in when fosters went home they had to have a police escort to make sure that the home is safe at the time they get there)

    Is that something that I should have to pay for for the rest of my life? Have breaking and entering charges on my JV as well for breaking into an abandoned house with some friends to have a dry place to sleep for the night. Is that something that should keep me from getting a job? Because I wanted a dry place to sleep.

    Now granted there are some things on my JV that I was damn lucky did not stick and I was damn lucky that I had a trail as a minor so that I would not have done serious jail time and for the most part got nothing more than a slap on the hand. I was able to turn my life around and in the last 16 (did not pull my shit together till I got pregnant with my oldest). Since then the only issue I have had with the law is that I have got 2 driving tickets my whole life. I know that if my JV was not sealed then I would have been fucked. I would have never got my first job working in a school. Would never have had... well any of the jobs that I have had my whole life. I feel that in turn would have forced me into a life of crime just to survive on a day to day basis so that my basic needs could be met

    Overall my kid is a good kid other than he is easy to sway and follow people because of his autism and because of some of the kids that he hangs out with in school he is under the impression that it is okay to steal from people. Figure the best thing to do for him is to throw his ass in jail for a few days and let him really think about where he is heading if he doesn't pull his shot together to find out that if I throw my child in jail for theft then it will stay with him forever.

    He has been warned and I hope that the officers coming over and telling him about jail and JV will be enough but next time he steals... His ass is in jail but I feel bad that I will be doing that to my own child to teach him a lesson.
  • Well, really I can't comment on the US system.

    But for those interested, here it is a link to the Canadian Dept. of Justice's section on Youth Records.

    http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/yj-jj/information/rec-dos.html
  • The biggest issue that I am having is this:
    Petty theft and grand theft fall into the category of larceny. Larceny is a crime committed to intentionally take away another person's property without his or her permission and permanently deprive them of the property. Petty theft is the crime of stealing merchandise or property valued under $400.00. Grand theft involves stealing merchandise worth more than $400.00 or stealing more than $400.00 in cash


    My son has taken over $400.00 worth of cash and items in the since I think it was October last year from my home and his fathers home. He flat out stole all the x-mas money that I had saved over the year so I could get x-mas for my kids. Ended up having to sell my car just so I could do x-mas and he took some of the money from that as well. Because of the amount and the amount of time that it has been going on it is considered Larceny and gran theft. So far he is under the impression that stealing from family is not really stealing at all but I know that its just a matter of time until he does more. I believe that is a class c felony but I am not sure but him getting a minor felony or a class A misdemeanor will now be with him his whole life.

    The biggest reason I wanted to have him arrested was to give him a realities check before it wold really matter but it appeared that is no longer the case. I know that if it keeps up then regardless he needs to go to jail before this behavior gets worse and he decides to start stealing from others as well. I just don't think that it should follow him around forever. Since it is his first offence I am sure that they will give him more lead way.

    Part of me feels like I am a bad mom for telling my son one more time and off to jail he goes even if it is just from family. He even stole his little brothers (at his dad house) 3ds, it was returned but still. It would not have been returned if he was not pressured into it.
  • jaded_sapphire said:
    My son has taken over $400.00 worth of cash and items in the since I think it was October last year from my home and his fathers home.

    OK, you need to stop that shit now. Take away his shit or don't buy him anything.
  • Chip said:
    OK, you need to stop that shit now.


    I agree. 10char
  • That was dine a while ago. he has a bed in his room and that is about it. Right now I am giving him room arrest he can not leave his room for any reason other than to use the restroom. Even make him eat in his room and give him clothing to wear daily to give him the best experience that I can give him at home. He is going to be like that for a total of 1 week but still have all his things but when he goes to his dads he just steals things from him dad and brings it home and hide it, like mp3 players etc. He tosses the things out his window so that he will not be caught with it in his room and then later goes out and gets it so that he can have it when he wants it and most the time the items get damaged because of the rain and end up in the trash. At this point I am walking him to his bus stop and picking him up from there as well and do an inspection every day. I know my son though and unless he gets a realities check soon it will not be long till he starts stealing from school as well. As it is he sometimes comes home with money and when I call the teachers they say that no one has reported anything missing so he must have just found it there. I don't buy that one little bit but there is nothing that I can do there at this point other than take the money away and give it to to the school as a donation.

    I know that he will end up in jail if I don't put him there myself. Just don't want to ruin his future in the process. This is his last chance before the police takes him away in handcuffs.

    Edit: the only thing I have not done yet to try to stop it is beat him and I asked to police if it is against the law to take a belt to his ass for his actions and he told me that if I did that then child welfere will take all my kids for child abuse.
  • Taking stuff away doesn't fix the problem. It creates boredom and frustration and ultimately leads to more acting out. Next time, volunteer him for community service. A soup kitchen works best because he can only take from the kitchen and who steals crappy food? Next, give him chores and not those pansy ass clean your room chores. I mean the scrub the shit out of the floor chores and then pay him when he does the job to expectations. No money? Too bad, skimp out somewhere because you have two choices here: 1) Try everything and everything to get your son to behave or 2) lose your son to the system where he will get worse before possibly getting better.
  • Yeah J, no offense but I think your scared stupid. Just my opinion I mean I (and I'm sure some here... the internet is NOT a good place to ask for advise... I'm sure you know this though). *long unimportant text taken out here* I'm sorry you're scared like this. Wow.
    BTW on the topic at hand, I think the records should remain, but the punishment should not be nearly as severe.
  • Your right knowname this is more about should the records be sealed more than anything. I am scared for my son, don't know a parent that would not be and because of that this thread got thrown off topic. The statement below is not directly related to my son mainly because he doesn't fall into that group.

    I still do not feel that minor offences should stay with you into adult hood because kids fuck up sometimes, they are still learning and sometimes there are a few tht can turn their shit around. Kids get records for many reasons but when I was younger I never met anyone that said that they were under 18 so they would fuck off till then and then get a get out of jail free card and that is the impression that some of the people might be under... Well other than the offspring that is.

    Most of the time the reasons those kids do what they do is because they were dealt a bad deck in life and they are coping the only way that they know how and at points they are doing what they need to in order to stay alive. Doesn't make it right, I'm not saying that, but I do feel that they should get some headway and if they paid their time then it should be sealed even more so if they had not had anything for a while before they turn 18. They should have a chance at life before the doors are slammed shut on them.

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