• I'm going away to university next year for engineering and need to get a laptop for it. So I need to decide whats best for engineering. What better way then asking NoobToobers.

    Any advice accepted, just try to keep it civilized (it's a pretty heated topic for some).
  • Do you have a budget or is anything realistically fair game?
  • I'm willing to pay extra for quality. As long as the price is not ridiculously expensive the I will consider it.
  • What type of engineering?
    What OS's are you familiar with?
    Have you ever successfully installed a kernel?
    Budget?
  • I'd grab a laptop with a LARGE screen and an ipad. seriously, engineers use tablets. I guess they'd need a bit of a photoshop beast (for the drafting and such) but from what I'd heard a tablet is very useful for an engineer. besides you probably (and I'm just guessing if anybody can verify) won't need that photoshop beast for at least 2 years.

    As far as PC vs Mac, think of it this way, do you wanna play games or not?? When I asked this question the didn't make many games for the mac. I myself would say, until your knee deep in it, get a PC.
  • It will be between general for first year and software engineering.
    I'm fine with both systems.
    No.
    Budget is more so based on value.

    Thanks everyone for the help
  • Macs are totally worth the premium. If your budget is tight, or you know windows inside out, PCs make complete sense. If you have the means, Macs are awesome. I am typing on a Mac desktop right now, and have part of the hard drive run Windows 7 Pro for one or two things I probably don't need. I compare Windows 7 Pro to Mac every day and it's no contest. The Mac setup looks better, runs better, and is simplier to use. You never fight a Mac. Windows has enough problems there is a whole profession of Windows techs. Windows is not terrible, it is just not as polished, especially in terms of use for non-techies. Even if I felt differently about the comparison, the Mac would still win, because it can run both OSs, whereas a PC cannot. Mac laptops can also bootcamp to PC as well. All that being said, this is not where you get the advice. Where are you going to school? Ask the students there. They will know all sorts of crucial stuff you won't get here.
  • I've been leaning more towards Macs lately. The main thing I've been worried about is the compatibility of Macs. Do they work well with most programs (aside from the whole gaming thing)? As for schools I haven't decided yet, but i will for sure talk to one of the profs about what is the best.
  • My friends prefer pcs for programming and such and so far my HP laptop has been doing just fine for college work as well, which includes use of photoshop and premier. Macs are cool and all but you're really paying the extra grand on the name imo. Had my laptop for 4 years and its still goin strong.
  • personaly i would go for PC and to be honest the only reason is that i REFUSE to buy any apple products, every apple product i own was given to me. with apple all you are realy paying for is the name as ultrabean said. they have such good marketing that they make people believe that apple products can do everything other things can't...when in reality you can get an MP3 player with as much space as an ipod for half the price..all you would be missing is Itunes support wich is nothing anyways..
  • Please don't turn this into a Mac Hate/Love bitchfest.

    By what you said muirhead1619 I would suggest a Mac for a few reasons, you didn't state an innate affinity to either system, seems as though you have little interest with Linux at the moment and Budget is based on value. That isn't to say that you can't get the same specs from a cheaper source but there are a few things that are worth it.

    First off Apple's customer service is pretty top notch. It's not perfect and the mindless clone mentality of most Mac Users is annoying at the store, but they will take care of your issue. I have seen Apple fix someones laptop after he spilled wine over it and didn't have any extra warranty purchased. Not saying that happens for everyone, but it happened for him. I got my computer back in 5 days, but the hard drive shit out on me in about 1 1/2 months after owning it. You will have access to apple's dev tools for free while in school. That alone makes it worth it if you are really into programming. Lastly, I surf the web with no virus protection at all, until I jump over to my Windows partition and then it's a whole bunch of fuck as I have to update every bit of software I have every Tuesday (exaggerating, but you catch my point). But I still use Windows for alot of programs because they just work better on Windows, or they don't have anything for Mac.

    That is my 2 cents.
  • you ever surfed the web without virus protection in windows? I haven't used a virus scanner since 2007 and very few (if any) problems have come of it. I got sick of updating everything, giving permisions for this and that and even getting ignored half the time. So I just said screw it! I go commando so to speak. Most viruses really spread via outdated means anyway... I mean, what was the last file that you downloaded? OK maybe ppl still d/l driver files, but if you get them from the source their pretty much always pretty clean. Viruses spread this way when we downloaded game patches now they don't even do it over the web so there is virtually no risk. Secondly you expose yourself to hacks. This may be a good reason to use commercial security s/w. But I myself KNOW I don't run a high risk system here.

    It's really up to you, but I'm thinking your as prone to viruses and hacks in mac as you are in windows nowadays. I don't torrent or d/l mp3s any more so why even bother??
  • Speaking of my mind being filled with fuck. Knowname here is a link on why Windows is inherently insecure. I can't really explain it in a way that is going to sum up 20+ years of "band-aid" policies to software development. Factor in that most people use Windows based computers and it explains why Macs are inherently "safer." If you are someone creating a virus and a virus is intended to infect as many computers as you can; will you program the virus using exploits from 80% of the market or would you program it to exploit 20% of the market?

    there is virtually no risk


    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! WHY DO YOU EVEN TYPE THIS SHIT?!!?!?!?!
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  • god dude I didn't say it was impervious I just said it's way better than it was. Your not gonna get a virus from facebooking or watching youtube.
  • knowname said:
    Your not gonna get a virus from facebooking.

    Depends on how mean your friends are.
  • quahgg said:
    Factor in that most people use Windows based computers and it explains why Macs are inherently "safer." If you are someone creating a virus and a virus is intended to infect as many computers as you can; will you program the virus using exploits from 80% of the market or would you program it to exploit 20% of the market?


    i kind of disagree with this..just because the majority of people use somthing does not make the other safer..for example while windows and Mac are seperate..things that viruses often come in such as emails or through a nasty porn site are not seperate..you visit the same website, open the same email wether you are on a pc or a mac
  • yeah and this is just as well likely as if you used a mac. Don't believe anybody that says Mac's can't get viruses, even iphones can get a virus http://ipod.about.com/od/introductiontotheiphone/f/get-an-iphone-virus.htm not very easily and it says (at that time) none were really identifiable outside of a lab :/ but. A Mac (based device) is just as virus prone as a windows device or even a Linux device. They're just a WHOLE lot harder to make (or find information about).

    quahgg said:
    I surf the web with no virus protection at all, until I jump over to my Windows partition and then it's a whole bunch of fuck as I have to update every bit of software I have every Tuesday (exaggerating, but you catch my point).


    Finally I'll reiterate, if your willing to surf the web without virus protection on your mac there is no reason you can't on Windows is there? Don't knock it until you've tried it. Most email programs have their own internal scanners, be a responsible consumer, don't go to crazy sites, don't become friends with crazy ppl you have nothing in common with on Facebook and you will be fine. This isn't like the old days, having to d/l everything via insecured connections and stuff. It's gotten much better!

    If however, you like to pioneer questionable mods or can't cut the habit of torrenting than maybe this isn't for you? With a Mac your gonna have to pretty much do these things anyway. Nobody wants to tell you, but the need for a consumer antivirus is rather low nowadays.
  • Crymzen said:
    i kind of disagree with this..just because the majority of people use somthing does not make the other safer..for example while windows and Mac are seperate..things that viruses often come in such as emails or through a nasty porn site are not seperate..you visit the same website, open the same email wether you are on a pc or a mac

    Except that viruses are coded specifically for the platform they are aimed at attacking. You can't make a virus that works on both Mac and Windows.
  • Crymzen said:
    i kind of disagree with this..just because the majority of people use somthing does not make the other safer..for example while windows and Mac are seperate..things that viruses often come in such as emails or through a nasty porn site are not seperate..you visit the same website, open the same email wether you are on a pc or a mac


    As Chip said. The security weakness in each operating system is different. MOST viruses are targeted at one particular system (Only 2 known ever were cross-platform). Most people who write viruses are doing so to get as much notoriety, information, or access from as many people as possible. Logic dictates that if most programmers writing viruses want the most information/access/notoriety from the most people possible, they will choose to write a virus for the system with the largest market share. Thus, MS's 80% is the optimal entry point. That doesn't mean that Macs are failsafe, it just means you are less likely to encounter a virus written for that system.

    knowname said:
    yeah and this is just as well likely as if you used a mac. Don't believe anybody that says Mac's can't get viruses, even iphones can get a virus http://ipod.about.com/od/introductiontotheiphone/f/get-an-iphone-virus.htm not very easily and it says (at that time) none were really identifiable outside of a lab :/ but. A Mac (based device) is just as virus prone as a windows device or even a Linux device. They're just a WHOLE lot harder to make (or find information about).



    Finally I'll reiterate, if your willing to surf the web without virus protection on your mac there is no reason you can't on Windows is there? Don't knock it until you've tried it. Most email programs have their own internal scanners, be a responsible consumer, don't go to crazy sites, don't become friends with crazy ppl you have nothing in common with on Facebook and you will be fine. This isn't like the old days, having to d/l everything via insecured connections and stuff. It's gotten much better!

    If however, you like to pioneer questionable mods or can't cut the habit of torrenting than maybe this isn't for you? With a Mac your gonna have to pretty much do these things anyway. Nobody wants to tell you, but the need for a consumer antivirus is rather low nowadays.


    No one said Macs don't get viruses. I don't get viruses, I never commented on anyone else other than they are less likely to be targetted. In fact the only person spreading erroneous bullshit rhetoric is you when you make claims like:

    there is virtually no risk


    Make sure you tell these guys.

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  • I feel your pain I am kinda in the same spot. I need to get a laptop for school but for me its not a pc vs mac... can not afford a mac so pc it is. The issue I am having is finding a good one for about $400.00. If you can afford it I say go with mac... If you can not go with pc.

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