Suggestion
  • This is directed to any mods here, Tobin & Yuzo.

    Why don't you have a "total posts" system which appears underneath each user's username's, you know, to show how many posts they've done and stuff.

    It's a simple idea and i'm sure it could be done very easily.

    Thanks

    -keyransolo-
  • This way without it, we cut down on people posting tiny-ass posts just to get their post count up. This way, with noobies instead, a motherfucker's got to THINK beforehand. :) Or else wanders through like with 1.2, from the welcome thread :)
  • I miss the ability to organise the member list by the number of Noobies. Logging on in the morning to find that you've been knocked out of the top ten is a great motivator to make some good posts.
  • Jam Enslaver said:
    I miss the ability to organise the member list by the number of Noobies. Logging on in the morning to find that you've been knocked out of the top ten is a great motivator to make some good posts.


    Oh nice, didn't realize that was even possible. I'd like to implement a real bonus system soon once I get enough time in one place, and it'd be good to have a proper top 10/25 to spur greater competition. Will slot it in the next dev cycle :)

    Yw
  • Jam Enslaver said:
    I miss the ability to organise the member list by the number of Noobies. Logging on in the morning to find that you've been knocked out of the top ten is a great motivator to make some good posts.


    My bad. Its back up now.
  • I think I gave up when I realized I was more likely to get Noobies for posting irrelevant content than to put actual effort into a game related post. :P

    But, Bonus System? Like what? And, aren't you number one Yuzo? If not, you have to be close, maybe behind Mattson and his porn post.
  • I dunno yet, I'd like to field ideas from the army. But you know, stuff like:

    hot topic - 5pts
    (25 or more responses that aren't the original poster)
    legendary topic - 10pts
    (100 or more responses that aren't original poster)
    iron gamer - 10pts
    (win an iron gamer challenge with 10 or more participants)

    These are just ideas, but nothing set in stone until we get a few more moderators online to be able to award the points easily. I'll have a real post at some point to get ideas and point values but this is the sort of thing we'd like to implement soon to reward community participation.

    At the same time maybe have some titles that are given when you reach a certain number of points.

    Yw
  • Oh, well... I guess I'll again have to be the spoil-sport on this. Its hard enough for most folks just to get a dozen or two Noobies, and I'm pretty sure that if all the Noobies I've ever received from you and Tobin were taken away, I'd probably be at 18 myself. :laugh:

    Once you start handing out Noobies by the dozens, most folks will be left far behind. Then it wouldn't take an asshat like Buffmaster to see someone with 100 noobies next to a poster with 1. That sort of thing is arguably discouraging when you come to a board. Especially in conjunction with the very likely possibility of a new poster's topics getting locked or moved. Yes, you can say that the onus is on the new poster to lurk for a bit, and its true to a degree. But its still discouraging nonetheless.

    Also, in regards to the Iron Gamer challenges, aren't they all done through Live, as a means to help ensure scoring accuracy? Isn't that a bit unfair to folks mulling around with Wii's, XP machines, handhelds or the Playstation consoles? Also folks in different parts of the world who would be at work or sleeping when most of the gaming is done. I dunno, it just seems that participation in the actual playing of video games is a tricky deal and mostly unrelated to the usual business of the boards.

    I'd rather see other content of gaming sessions, like the clip reel of the Starcraft challenge. Or even simple stuff like Tobin smacking you down at the Crackdown 'foot race'. That would be, IMO, a better egalitarian way to pimp the folks in the same time zones, or with the same free time, to play and compete in the games.

    Oh well, I know I'm too much of an abrasive figure in these parts to be any sort of authority on the issue, but it seems to make sense to me at least.

    As for hot topics or legendary topics... perhaps 2 and 5, respectively, would make more sense, keep things within a range that seems 'achievable' by new posters. Then again, looking back, I don't think I've ever had even a single hot topic, so maybe its my subconscious going crazy. In that regard, Mattson's Noobie count matches the message count of his topics. :P

    But what about whoever is posting the Episode topics, or the Gamer Homework? Those are regularly 25+ response topics. You'd have to limit the forums where the Noobie rules are applied for Hot Topics, or else the posters of main site topics would quickly advance into the 100's.
  • Well, as I mentioned, these were all up in the air so it would definitely be good to get as much feedback as possible in how you'd all like to see them work. Point values and what to do to get the points are the sort of input we're looking for mostly. And keep in mind, the whole point of noobies is to have a positive mechanism to reward community participation. It's pretty much valueless at the moment, so I wouldn't get too caught up on noobie haves and have nots. We do not plan on implementing any sort of penalties for people with 0. We should make it so anyone can make a great thread or do something awesome for the community and get recognized for that effort with a little noobie reward, or "pat on the back", so to speak.

    And these awards shouldn't be that easy to get. We won't be handing them out "by the dozens", since that would mean a _lot_ of work for the moderators. There aren't that many threads over 25 posts if you discount the original poster, and maybe only one or two past 100. Those numbers seemed good starting points. We could always make it 50 but I don't think that happens much more often than the 100+ topics. And we'd obviously ignore basic topics like the episode posts or listener homeworks since I post them. In fact, moderators in general shouldn't receive any sort of special noobie awards, being a moderator is status enough :).

    Noobies are all about positive reinforcement. Your arguments pre-suppose that members with 0 noobies are punished in some way.

    Yw
  • Sloth said:
    [quote=Jam Enslaver]I miss the ability to organise the member list by the number of Noobies. Logging on in the morning to find that you've been knocked out of the top ten is a great motivator to make some good posts.


    My bad. Its back up now.[/quote]

    Cool, thanks. Although this does highlight how much buffmaster decimated the top of the board. I'm pretty sure Tobin had more than 40 before, but now I'm ahead of him. Oh well, I'm sure he'll pull ahead soon enough.
  • If I don't have to do anything, its a great idea. If I do, lets revise.

    Otherwise, I quite like the way the noobies work now. The quantity you get for doing something is really irrelevant. Its more of just getting it and being acknowledged. =) I think the comments you get are worth more than x noobies. Especially if they're from somebody you like and for most people, that would be tobin and yuzo.

    I remember the first time I got a newbie. Didn't know who it was from but I was beaming with happiness.

    You know what would be better than having 100 noobies? A noobie from range. =O

    Dart, you're not being a spoil-sport. You're just being helpful. I totally agree though, poor newbies. Must be hella daunting to not be able to give out noobies and be amongst whores like jam who has 6969 noobies. But its ok! As they lurk and post, they will learn the way of the noobie. That noobie count isn't that important and that the satisfaction comes from being praised - that someone values what you've said.

    Peace and love for everybody. <3<br />
    ---

    I think that the um beginning "learning" curve shouldn't be steep in that you should initially gain ranks quite quickly. It gives you a sense of achievement to climb it and thats what people want initially. After they've had this experience, they'll have sort of sunk in and be quite content with just receiving comments as opposed to a number.
  • yuzo said:

    At the same time maybe have some titles that are given when you reach a certain number of points.

    Yw


    i like that idea. how about naming it after ranks in the army to bring the whole "noobtoob army" idea out more? like someone newly joined could be private then later stuff life luitenant, general, and the like.
  • nevets said:
    [quote=yuzo]
    At the same time maybe have some titles that are given when you reach a certain number of points.

    Yw


    i like that idea. how about naming it after ranks in the army to bring the whole "noobtoob army" idea out more? like someone newly joined could be private then later stuff life luitenant, general, and the like.[/quote]

    yeah good idea but we would have to find a good name for mods
  • Officer Ranks:

    General of the Army
    General
    Lieutenant General
    Major General
    Brigadier General
    Colonel
    Lieutenant Colonel
    Major
    Captain
    First Lieutenant
    Second Lieutenant

    Enlisted Ranks:

    Sergeant Major of the Army
    Command Sergeant Major
    Sergeant Major
    First Sergeant
    Master Sergeant
    Sergeant First Class
    Staff Sergeant
    Sergeant
    Corporal
    Specialist
    Private First Class
    Private

    Yup... Just need to narrow that down.
  • well Tobin and Yuzo should get an automatic rank of General of the army to set them apart. Mods should be either General or leuitenant Colonel. the regular ranks could be as follows.

    raw recruit (new member)
    private (5 noobies)
    private first class (10)
    sergeant (25)
    sergeant major (50)
    second leiutenant (80)
    first leiutenant (150)

    might need to add more ranks for more noobies or space out the amount that you get new level at. Noobie gain is pretty slow as of now so this would last for a bit. what you all think?
  • Wow, didn't expect my thread to get into something like this, but I like it:D

    Great idea guys.
  • yuzo said:
    Noobies are all about positive reinforcement. Your arguments pre-suppose that members with 0 noobies are punished in some way.

    Yw

    Um, you lost me on that one. I never said anything about punishing new members. Doing something like that would be beyond silly, it would be despicable on certain levels.

    I was saying that it can feel discouraging to new members if the disparity is too large. I personally feel that if the Noobies are a product of the board, they should directly reflect a poster and their contribution to the board. Perhaps the way I worded the sections of my last post dealing with the gamer challenges was confusing? I apologize if that was the case.

    As for my suggestion of lowering the Noobies awarded for Hot Topics and Legendary Posts, its because the main threads that reach that kind of status, and I'm talking about all Internet boards at the moment, not just NoobToob, are the chain posts, of which we have a few. The game picture quiz was admittedly a nice idea, but others like the picture war or whatever arguably don't contribute as much. I would not want to see the Off-Topic area get inundated with 'three word story' topics and the like, because they would be the most common way to achieve Noobies under the post count award system, something that to my understanding the Noobie system was originally created to avoid.

    So you'd be stuck either modding those topics, also an arguably disagreeable practice, or letting them slide, watching as the quality of the Off Topic section dips.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Moving on to the rank system, it fits with the NoobToob Army motif, to be sure. I personally would want to see the military ranks twisted a bit to reflect Noob culture. Maybe something like, in ascending order:
    ~Basic Member Ranks~
    Noob Private(<10)<br />Private First Class(10-25)
    Noob Specialist(25-50)
    Sergeant Noob(50-100)
    Noob Staff Sergeant(100+)

    ~Officer Ranks for other contributors/moderators~
    Noob Army Lieutenant(tag for site workers like Raymond)
    Captain of the Noobs(basic moderator tag, phraseology 'of the Noobs' to denote moderator position)
    Major Noob (given to outside administrators)
    General of NoobToob (for Tobin and Yuzo)
  • Dart said:
    [quote=yuzo]Noobies are all about positive reinforcement. Your arguments pre-suppose that members with 0 noobies are punished in some way.

    Yw

    Um, you lost me on that one. I never said anything about punishing new members. Doing something like that would be beyond silly, it would be despicable on certain levels.

    I was saying that it can feel discouraging to new members if the disparity is too large. I personally feel that if the Noobies are a product of the board, they should directly reflect a poster and their contribution to the board. Perhaps the way I worded the sections of my last post dealing with the gamer challenges was confusing? I apologize if that was the case.

    As for my suggestion of lowering the Noobies awarded for Hot Topics and Legendary Posts, its because the main threads that reach that kind of status, and I'm talking about all Internet boards at the moment, not just NoobToob, are the chain posts, of which we have a few. The game picture quiz was admittedly a nice idea, but others like the picture war or whatever arguably don't contribute as much. I would want to see the Off-Topic area get inundated with 'three word story' topics and the like, because they would be the most common way to achieve Noobies under the post count award system, something that to my understanding the Noobie system was originally created to avoid.

    So you'd be stuck either modding those topics, also an arguably disagreeable practice, or letting them slide, watching as the quality of the Off Topic section dips.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Moving on to the rank system, it fits with the NoobToob Army motif, to be sure. I personally would want to see the military ranks twisted a bit to reflect Noob culture. Maybe something like, in ascending order:
    ~Basic Member Ranks~
    Noob Private(<10)<br />Private First Class(10-25)
    Noob Specialist(25-50)
    Sergeant Noob(50-100)
    Noob Staff Sergeant(100+)

    ~Officer Ranks for other contributors/moderators~
    Noob Army Lieutenant(tag for site workers like Raymond)
    Captain of the Noobs(basic moderator tag, phraseology 'of the Noobs' to denote moderator position)
    Major Noob (given to outside administrators)
    General of NoobToob (for Tobin and Yuzo)[/quote]

    ya we dont want to beat people over the headwith the "noob" bit. More like drawsome more attention to the army portion
  • I'm just saying, going with a strict military ranking structure would also be kind of weird. But maybe everyone else agrees? I thought Noob would be better than Toob, or NT(which lacks a certain personal touch despite being appropriate). :P
  • well im kind of a military nut so maybe that colouring my answers a bit. we let it up to the army. do ya want a pure military ranking or something involving noob in some way? or something totally different?
  • I'm too much of a hippy to apreciate the noobtoob army ranks. Maybe you could just base them on games, u could start with things like pong and snake and end with something like WOW or halo, it would be perfect for expanding it in the future too because this site is lakely to just grow sooner or later you will have to expand or replace the ranking system.
  • I don't mind a couple of military based ranks here and there, like "noob private", but I'd feel that sticking to one theme might be a little limiting. We need to keep a balance between something cool for people to try and attain, and low moderation overhead. Also, the more titles, the harder it is to figure out what each level means.

    It's a pretty hard system to nail, which is why we'd probably take it very slow at first and see how well it sticks. Like, for a prototype, I wouldn't mind having just one rank at say 10-15 which signifies that you're a regular contributing member, a small step up in status over a brand new recruit. And also have only one basic award based on post quality or activity. We can run with that for a few weeks and see how well it's received. This sort of thing seemed to work well with the introduction of the noobie system initially so I'd like to start there.

    Yw
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